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Monday, October 03, 2005 |
Saddle Up, Steve: DePo Fires Tracy
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Same story, second source:
http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/8924318
http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/story/8924318
# posted by 
: 10/03/2005 07:29:00 PM
: 10/03/2005 07:29:00 PM
I can't believe Tracy didn't have more success with that stellar roster Depo has put together.
He deserved to be fired, for not recognizing the genius of Paul Depodesta.
He deserved to be fired, for not recognizing the genius of Paul Depodesta.
# posted by : 10/03/2005 09:06:00 PM
: 10/03/2005 09:06:00 PM
Anon -- I'm sure that was meant tongue-in-cheekly. It was a roster that could have won a weak NL West -- which this was. If it stayed healthy.
Can anyone really have counted on a team built around JD Drew to remain healthy? And kept a straight face? Or was it the stellar production of Werth and Valentin out of the lineup that led to our demise?
Did anyone really think at the beginning of the season 84 games would win the division? The assumption was a low 90s win team, something we got about 3/4s of the way to, on the way to a record in the lower fifth of baseball.
What if the Giants were healthy too? Woudn't they have won the division.
The ifs/buts/etc. in support of Depo's failure are truly laughable. The guy is an inexperienced errand boy who is in over his head now that he is in charge. In typical fashion, he said a few days ago he hoped Tracy would stay, now he claims there are huge philosophical differences. The man is simply not credible.
He has proven nothing, yet all the baseball "intellectuals" swoon at his every word. Its like a strange cult. You all need to be deprogrammed.
Did anyone really think at the beginning of the season 84 games would win the division? The assumption was a low 90s win team, something we got about 3/4s of the way to, on the way to a record in the lower fifth of baseball.
What if the Giants were healthy too? Woudn't they have won the division.
The ifs/buts/etc. in support of Depo's failure are truly laughable. The guy is an inexperienced errand boy who is in over his head now that he is in charge. In typical fashion, he said a few days ago he hoped Tracy would stay, now he claims there are huge philosophical differences. The man is simply not credible.
He has proven nothing, yet all the baseball "intellectuals" swoon at his every word. Its like a strange cult. You all need to be deprogrammed.
# posted by : 10/03/2005 10:18:00 PM
: 10/03/2005 10:18:00 PM
Anon -- no way the Giants stayed healthy. They got old, old, old under Sabean. I'm not going to argue about Drew; it looks now like they kept his other injuries hush-hush during the signing to keep criticism of the Beltre signing muted. On the other hand, Drew did play injured, something he wasn't able to do previously in his career. If he continues to have injury problems -- and not just due to one-time events like taking a fastball on the wrist -- then I'll be completely converted and we can all chuck spears at DePo's going away party. As for your crack that DePo isn't credible because he changes his tune, well, you need to get a grip. All GMs lie or embellish the truth. It's part of the business.
Matt -- good stuff. We shall see just how good DePo is in a few weeks. If he goes into panic mode, there will presently be exactly one good baseball team in town, the one in the Anaheim of Los Angeles.
Matt -- good stuff. We shall see just how good DePo is in a few weeks. If he goes into panic mode, there will presently be exactly one good baseball team in town, the one in the Anaheim of Los Angeles.
Rick -- I can think of one: a weak free agent market. It's essentially the one that got the Dodgers Odalis Perez, except that the starting line in 2005 will be approximately where the 2004 offseason market was about a month into it (i.e., after the Mets got stupid and offered Kris Benson too much money.)
Hindsight being 20/20 we should have kept Green, not signed Drew ...
Rick, despite playing in less than half as many games as Green, Drew nearly had a more productive season on a cumulative basis (37.9 VORP for Green, 31.3 for Drew). Even if you assume Drew's broken wrist only forestalled a later injury to come, even if Drew played only 100 games in 2005, Drew probably would have outperformed Green. Or, you can add in Dioner Navarro's VORP of 9.7 and already the tradeoff works in DePodesta's favor, even with Drew playing as little as he did.
So would I rather have spent $16 million on Green or $11 million on Drew + $5 million on others, including Navarro? No contest.
"DePodesta's buying of Drew can only be seen as stupid." Hardly.
Rick, despite playing in less than half as many games as Green, Drew nearly had a more productive season on a cumulative basis (37.9 VORP for Green, 31.3 for Drew). Even if you assume Drew's broken wrist only forestalled a later injury to come, even if Drew played only 100 games in 2005, Drew probably would have outperformed Green. Or, you can add in Dioner Navarro's VORP of 9.7 and already the tradeoff works in DePodesta's favor, even with Drew playing as little as he did.
So would I rather have spent $16 million on Green or $11 million on Drew + $5 million on others, including Navarro? No contest.
"DePodesta's buying of Drew can only be seen as stupid." Hardly.
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