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Saturday, June 03, 2006

Second Verse, Different From The First: Two Angels/Indians Games

Jered's a punk, Figgy is a runt
They both went to Cleveland, joined the ice capades
And oh, I dont know why oh, I dont know why
Perhaps they'll die, oh yeah perhaps they'll die, oh yeah
Perhaps they'll die, oh yeah perhaps they'll die, oh yeah
In some ways, yesterday's game and today's game perfectly mirrored each other. Excellent starting pitching, one little hiccup as one team finally saw some daylight after early frustration, and then some blasts to put it away.

Yesterday, Jered Weaver silenced the Indians' thundrous bats, his box score resembling for all the world one of his minor league efforts, save for the two runs scoring. I've already come out predicting a Jeff-ian career for brother Jered, though it's hardly a guarantee or a prediction I endorse heartily; Little Weaver had far better numbers in his college career than Jeff did. On the other hand, his PECOTA card shows him being at most a 20 VORP pitcher at best; most of his baseline plots are down near replacement level.

Of course, a good bit of that low rating comes from his rusty beginnings at Rancho and Arkansas last year; Rich and I saw his forgettable professional debut, and it never really seemed like he did get straightened out at any time in 2005, except maybe on the very last game of the AFL. Those accumulated performances have probably poisoned his comparables list — a short one, as his comparables index is only 20 — including some very dubious pitchers indeed:

A motley bunch, to be sure. Of course, as with all very young players against whom track records are scanty, such stuff becomes nigh well useless. Consider, say Albert Pujols and his 16 similarity index; guys like this are hard to predict, too, and all you know about them is that they can mash, f'r chrissakes. PECOTA will have a tough time sussing out Jered Weaver; he might just be a phenom who sticks, but I'd still tell you to let the kid get a year pitching in the majors before we have even the slightest idea whether he's going to be the next Jeff Weaver, or the next Jim Bunning.

The test of that will come eventually, as he's had two games in which he's had superb defense bail him out; last night's came on a flyball double play in the fourth. It would be interesting, considering the miscues that occurred in today's game — including another misadventure by Vlad — to see how Jered would have handled that.

One other thing that I found intriguing, given Weaver's splits against lefties at AAA (.231/.259/.356 vs. LHB, vs. .196/.239/.333 vs. RHB), is why the Indians didn't have more lefties in their lineup; only Grady Sizemore (leadoff), Travis Hafner (cleanup), and Ben Broussard (6th) were left-handed, but I saw that a lack of a credible left-handed bat on the bench appears to be a frailty of this year's team. That wasn't true, however, of the Orioles, who left Jay Gibbons out of their lineup. I didn't check to see whether he was injured at the time, but I assume that was what was behind it. Update: Duh, he crashed into a wall the night before. Thanks, Rev.


The offense in both two nights couldn't have been more different, and indeed the Angels' failure to score beyond their sixth-inning, two-run rally today certainly hurt them (though not as much as the eight runs the Tribe put up in the next half frame). Today, Figgins couldn't buy a hit; yesterday, he got a pair of hits and never scored. Kendry Morales continued his descent to about-what-you'd-expect before his first week got you all excited. Dallas McPherson wasn't even starting, not against lefty Carlos Lee, though he did fail to get a hit in his lone late-innings at bat. Robb Quinlan is rapidly proving he can't hit lefties as well as he can't hit righties; it's an equal-opportunity thing, you wouldn't understand.

I've bagged on the Angels for forcing Chone Figgins to the leadoff spot, a drumbeat I started the instant I heard about the Angels' signing of Orlando Cabrera. Chone has been too heavily dependent on batting average in the past to get on base, and as we're seeing to some extent this year, he's not doing it enough at all, walks or no walks, to really cause his baserunning to be much of a threat at all. However, an interesting article from Viva El Birdos came over the transom recently, and unsurprisingly, it's about the lil' shortstop certain parties loved to hate, David Eckstein. (Easily offended grammatical sensibilities warning: Birdos doesn't believe in capitalization; ee cummings could get away with that, but ... dude, c'mon, it's just plain nasty in prose.)

The author makes two important points in a fairly lengthy review of the Cards' leadoff situation: first, Eckstein is not taking walks, instead electing to get on base via hit by pitch; and second, he's not stealing bases. Like, at all (four all year). If that's true, his skills — particularly his speed, something that's crucial to the value he does hold — are due for one hell of a collapse, starting, oh, I'd say around five o'clock tomorrow, Central Time, and I probably owe Bill Stoneman an apology for calling the Cabrera signing dumb.

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Comments:
Yesterday, Figgins couldn't buy a hit; today, he got a pair of hits and never scored.

Um, yesterday, Figgins was 2-for-3 with a sacrifice and a walk. Today, he was 1-for-4 with a run scored. Which games did you watch?

Moreover, until you reconcile the 113 runs Figgins scored last year in front of a tinkertoy offense with all your complaints about his secondary stats, there'll continue to be something rather incoherent and agenda-esque about the Figgins rants.
 
Gibbons got hurt crashing into the wall the night before Weaver pitched on what became Vlad's inside the park homerun.
 
Maxwell, I've got one response to your defense of Figgins as a leadoff man: OBP. He still doesn't have it, unless you consider .331 to be a good number for a leadoff man, and it isn't.
 
Oh, and I did correct the days in the sentence about Figgins above, which were clearly reversed.
 
Maxwell, I've got one response to your defense of Figgins as a leadoff man: OBP.

For leadoff men, it's a boutique stat. As I said earlier, a secondary stat.

If you're going to ignore 113 runs and focus on the fashion point, what's the use? You're argument boils down to this: It matters less that a leadoff run score more runs on the season than any other player on the club than that he keep his on-base percentage up.

Ah, okay.

So you'd prefer a player with higher OBP that scores fewer runs? Eckstein, with his .396 OBP, has scored 3 fewer runs than Figgins with his .331 OBP. Batting in front of Pujols no less! Last year, Eck had 23 fewer runs, with an OBP at .363.

It's about run conversion, Rob. If you can't see that. then you're just being clubby...an apparatchik flashing his badges.
 
(typo) 'leadoff run' = leadoff man
 
For leadoff men, it's a boutique stat. As I said earlier, a secondary stat.

Right. So, if Figgy's not on base to score runs, his value is what, exactly? I don't care how many runs he scores, if he's not getting on base to do it, he's not doing his job. In some ways, this is the reverse problem that Jason Giambi has: sure, he has a ridiculous OBP, but once he gets on base, he can't score because he's so slow. But calling OBP a "boutique stat" is a crock; Figgins has to be on base or he isn't going to get driven in.
 
Maxwell's got a point, though: the bottom line. Figgins is scoring runs. He's scoring more runs than guys who get on base more often.

I'd like to see a stat showing what % of the time a baserunner winds up scoring; I'm betting that Figgins scores a much higher % than average.

And this is due, at least in part, to his speed. As Rob observes, a guy like Giambi gets on frequently, but can only go station-to-station. Figgins is more productive at moving around the bases because of his speed. Therefore, notwithstanding the fact that he doesn't get on as often as one would like, he gets on base often enough to still be reasonably productive.

But yeah, it would help if he got on more often and made fewer outs.

OBP is not a "boutique stat," but it can be a bit misleading because Figgins can make up for it by being more productive once he does get on base.
 

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