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Tuesday, June 13, 2006

W Is For Weaver: Angels 4, Royals 1

I keep looking for Jeff Weaver moments in Jered Weaver's game, and we got one today: on a routine grounder that Weaver should have fielded, he overran it instead and left his back turned at first base, instead of turning around and waiting for a throw from his first baseman. Instead, Kendry Morales threw the ball to where Weaver should have been, and instead the ball ended up going past him to the Royals dugout. The ironic part is that Morales ended up with an error that should have accrued to Jered. The fact that he gave up so early on the play might be chalked up to inexperience; yet, given what we know of Jeff Weaver, might we infer this to be a familial trait?

Of course, the big difference between Jeff and Jered was that in this case, Jered settled down and made the next out — gettting Shane Costa to ground out to second — without further damage. Often, Jeff will have a big inning and let things get really out of hand, as he did earlier in the season. If indeed the Angels feel compelled to send down Little Weaver, they'll do so to the arrayed catcalls of their fans, who rightfully feel deprived of a starter who's gone 4-0. Weaver admittedly didn't earn that record against the better teams of the league, the exception being Cleveland. The Tribe may be in third place at present in the AL Central, but silencing their deadly offense (third best in the AL) has to count for something; surely, he's earned some respect, at least.

Dallas McPherson again had a good night at the plate, walking twice and scoring a run in an unprecedented display of plate discipline: it was his first multi-walk game of the year. Contrast this with the 5-6-7 hitters, all of whom struck out twice; Erstad at least got an RBI groundout, but you can see if he keeps having nights like this one, he's liable to lose playing time in center to Figgins.

Update: Sanchez in the comments below makes a very good point: brother Jeff was brilliant through June 22, 1999, after which he simply collapsed. Here's Kristina Kahrl on May 12, 1999:

Sure, everyone's excited about Jeff Weaver, and for good reason. The right-hander has shown outstanding command of very good stuff, he doesn't get rattled and he's surviving pretty well despite dubious offensive and defensive support. But perhaps the happiest thing about his first month in in the majors has been Larry Parrish's patience with him.

Parrish has let Weaver toss 85, 88, 88, 90 and 96 pitches in his first five starts. Yes, it's a generally upward trend, but that's still remarkable. First off, it shows that Weaver's been very economical with his pitches. Secondly, the quality and the economy haven't moved Parrish to leave Weaver on the mound for more than seven innings in a game. If the Tigers are patient, and if they don't put unwarranted pressure on themselves to contend, Weaver should be in good shape for his second pass through the league.

Kahrl also tagged Weaver as her choice for Rookie of the Year on July 15, 1999, and Rany Jazayerli shared some of that enthusiasm:
The guy they call ROY here in Detroit, Jeff Weaver, is giving every indication he's going to be one of the premier starters of the next 15 years. If you've never seen him pitch, you're missing something.
Well, that was before the kablooie. Weaver was even handled well in his starts for Detroit, with the club closely monitoring his pitch counts. Oh, so you say the difference is that Jeff blows up easily and Jered doesn't? That wasn't the word on May 9, 2000, when Joel Veeneman declared Jeff "he of the noted even temperament". By May 21, Kristina Kahrl had lost the buzz over Weaver, declaring the Tigers' rotation to consist of "nobody ... you wouldn't mind having, as long as you don't have to pitch more than two or three of them behind a couple of really good starters."

I could go on, but I shouldn't have to. Let's see how the lad's doing after he's had an entire season for the league to see him a couple times.

Recap


Comments:
The Jered and Jeff Weaver comparisons have gone beyond the ridiculous. Based on your continued skepticism and cynicism re Jered, I suspect you could go to the Sistine Chapel, see a missing tile on the ceiling and complain about that one problem rather than its overall beauty.
 
I have to agree with Rich. This is getting bonkers. You are going too far when the only thing you can come up with is a fielding play. I think it is obvious at this point that the Weavers are different players and at the very least Lil Bro doesn't get bothered by little things.
 
Four games is not a season, gentlemen.
 
Four games is not a season, gentlemen.

But four recent comments anticipating Jered's Jeffish decline into mediocrity does border on the obsessive.

For your faithful readers, who join their free leisure to your free industry, could you extend your generosity to varying it up a little?

You've laid the foundation plenty thick for "I told you so". Can we not enjoy what we have for a bit?
 
I still have to agree with Rich and Maxwell on this, Rob. Maybe Jered hasn't given any indication he won't turn into Jeff, but he also hasn't given any indication that he will turn into Jeff. Besides, Jeff actually was a solid to great pitcher for the Tigers after a couple of seasons in the majors (indicating that he learned how to get guys out he might not have before). Then he was traded to the Yankees and has been an average pitcher ever since. Maybe the brothers have identical mental make ups, but Jeff didn't collapse until he was stuck on the most high pressure team in the league. Hopefully, Jered will never have to experience that.

And besides, since when are brothers identical? I don't recall anyone claiming Jeremy Giambi would be a star just because his brother was.
 
Thank goodness the Angels aren't scared to send the message that 4-0 with 1.37 ERA ain't gonna cut it on a last place ballclub.

(FTR Santana 6 wins, Escobar 5 wins, Lackey 4 wins, Other Weaver 3 wins -- how can Jered possibly help?)

Send him down!
 
I may never get the opportunity to corrrect Rich Lederer again, so I must seize the moment - Rich, the Sistine Chapel's ceiling is a fresco, not a mosaic. THere are no tiles to go missing. Rob would fixate on a missing dollop of plaster.
 
Anon -- I understand what you're saying through the sarcasm, and even agree with it; Weaver should be allowed to stay in the rotation until he proves he can't cut it anymore. I just don't think he'll be able to keep up this level of production for more than half a year.

Rev -- thank you for that clarification.
 
First, I'm glad Rich said it before I did. I mean, I'm fairly pessimistic about the Angels as a team, but Rob, you really seem to see the world through crap colored glasses.

But I think herein lies the problem:
I just don't think he'll be able to keep up this level of production for more than half a year.

Wow, really going out on a limb. I don't think anyone expects Jered to win every start with an ERA under 2 the rest of the way. Can we agree that if he won 10-12 games with an ERA around 3.50, on the whole, that's a pretty successful rookie year? I agree that we shouldn't let the hot start blow our expectations through the stratosphere, but barring injury, he's got 18-20 starts left (19 for the sake of argument). If he wins eight of those, gets four NDs, and loses the rest, that's 12-7. If he goes the rest of the way with an ERA around 4.00, he'll finish around 3.50.

Personally, I'll take 12-7 with a 3.50 ERA from a rookie who's been a professional for barely a year. Is that the same level of production he's showed so far? Not even close. But the point is, he doesn't have to be Pedro Martinez 1998 to be very successful.

As for comparisons to his brother, with the obvious caveat that it's still extremely early, other than 2003, Jeff has been better than league average virtually ever season (just missed it last year). Jered was more highly touted coming out of school, was more successful in a better baseball conference, and apparently has a much more advance change-up than Jeff did. They aren't clones.
 

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