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Wednesday, May 07, 2008 |
Jered Weaver, You Suck: Royals 9, Angels 4
Pull your damn head out, Jered. It's probably too late (and there's not enough depth anymore) to send him back to Salt Lake, but he's only marginally better than Dustin Moseley at this point, except to the extent that he can go longer because of his good track record ... in 2006. He'll be 2-5 if he loses this one (as he should), and it's not like he was missing run support with a 5.24 ERA at this point.
And to think, people were sneering at me for suggesting Jered would turn into Jeff.
Top 4th: Anderson gets a leadoff triple and nobody can push him over. Good job.
Bottom 4th: Gordon homers, a two run jack, and that's it for Jered Weaver. Good God, what an embarrassment. 8-1, Royals.
Final: Aaaand it's over. Mike Napoli hit a two-run jack in the seventh and Anderson hit a solo shot in the top of the ninth, and Chris Bootcheck and Darren O'Day managed to limit further damage by the Royals to one run.
I just don't know about Weaver anymore. He really, really, really needs to have a good outing next time, which will be Wednesday, May 14, the Chisox at home. At least we can yell at him if he blows it again.
Labels: angels, recaps, royals
Comments:
Actually, after tonight, he SHOULD be about 3-4, but despite good average run support, he's lost two quality starts, both in which he gave up only two earned runs. But it wouldn't be 6-4-2 if there wasn't the weekly Weaver bashing post. Since you brought it up:
Jeff through 55 starts: 5.15 ERA, 228 Ks, 100 BBs.
Jered through 55 starts: 3.67 ERA, 251 Ks, 92 BBs.
You're right. It's like I'm seeing double!
Jeff through 55 starts: 5.15 ERA, 228 Ks, 100 BBs.
Jered through 55 starts: 3.67 ERA, 251 Ks, 92 BBs.
You're right. It's like I'm seeing double!
"Bashing"? He's got a 5.21 ERA now. Go ahead and explain how that's a good thing.
Minor league careers for both:
Jeff Weaver: 36.1 IP, 1.99 ERA, 12.22 K/9, 49/2 K/BB
Jered Weaver: 164 IP, 2.80 ERA, 10.98 K/9, 200/39 K/BB
Point being, Jeff was rushed. I don't think Jered was (he was destroying minor league competition over a significant number of innings, and was calling for his promotion long after the Angels held him back), but I just wonder that it hasn't in some way stunted Jered's growth. That, and maybe Jered's career arc, while perhaps a bit taller than Jeff's, won't be much longer than his, either.
Minor league careers for both:
Jeff Weaver: 36.1 IP, 1.99 ERA, 12.22 K/9, 49/2 K/BB
Jered Weaver: 164 IP, 2.80 ERA, 10.98 K/9, 200/39 K/BB
Point being, Jeff was rushed. I don't think Jered was (he was destroying minor league competition over a significant number of innings, and was calling for his promotion long after the Angels held him back), but I just wonder that it hasn't in some way stunted Jered's growth. That, and maybe Jered's career arc, while perhaps a bit taller than Jeff's, won't be much longer than his, either.
He had a bad game with no life on his fastball whatsoever, but that is not indicative of how he has pitched every outing this season - I await his next great showing (it will be against the White Sox next week) so that you can overreact and howl about how wrong you were to write him off.
RevHF
RevHF
"Bashing"? He's got a 5.21 ERA now. Go ahead and explain how that's a good thing.
Please show me where I said a 5.21 ERA was a good thing? Actually, don't worry about it, because you can't.
But we'll ignore things like sample size, age, etc.
But here's another one through 55 starts:
John Lackey: 4.46 ERA, 225 Ks, 107 BBs. He was the same age as Weaver that year, and had more minor league experience. And like Weaver, he had a pretty darn good major league start before the league caught up with him. The he readjusted.
I don't mean to bust your chops, but part of the problem is that you write these entries during the game. I used to be the same way (when I still wrote more than once a month). If you wait a bit, you tend to gain a little perspective. Not every good outing is a career maker. Not every bad start is the end of the world. Especially with 25 year olds.
I honestly don't know how good or bad Weaver will eventually be, but I like to think he'll be pretty good, and I'm not investing myself in it either way, because I want to root for him to be good. I don't know, maybe you're harder on him because he's a Dirtbag and you have higher expectations for him, but in my opinion, you're long past the point where you have any objectivity with regard to Weaver, and that sucks, because I like coming here, but it can occasionally be, well, not infuriating, but disappointing. I'll leave it at that.
Please show me where I said a 5.21 ERA was a good thing? Actually, don't worry about it, because you can't.
But we'll ignore things like sample size, age, etc.
But here's another one through 55 starts:
John Lackey: 4.46 ERA, 225 Ks, 107 BBs. He was the same age as Weaver that year, and had more minor league experience. And like Weaver, he had a pretty darn good major league start before the league caught up with him. The he readjusted.
I don't mean to bust your chops, but part of the problem is that you write these entries during the game. I used to be the same way (when I still wrote more than once a month). If you wait a bit, you tend to gain a little perspective. Not every good outing is a career maker. Not every bad start is the end of the world. Especially with 25 year olds.
I honestly don't know how good or bad Weaver will eventually be, but I like to think he'll be pretty good, and I'm not investing myself in it either way, because I want to root for him to be good. I don't know, maybe you're harder on him because he's a Dirtbag and you have higher expectations for him, but in my opinion, you're long past the point where you have any objectivity with regard to Weaver, and that sucks, because I like coming here, but it can occasionally be, well, not infuriating, but disappointing. I'll leave it at that.
It's just that... unlike Lackey, Weaver doesn't seem to be learning anything, and is in fact regressing a little every year. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe he'll end up better than he's been lately. But he keeps doing things that remind me of Jeff. Yeah, I know all about his better competition in the Big West conference, and the fact that he did better against harder competition there, and the fact that Lackey didn't really get to be consistently good until he was 26. Okay, fine, we can agree on those things. But dayam he's hard to watch like this.
three posts below this one is an entry talking Ervin Santana as one of the best pitchers in the game now.
the same we guy we all threw under the bus 9 months ago.
patience. and perspective.
yeah, Weave's not doing so hot right now, but this is the first time in 47 years when i can honestly keep repeating "wake me in October".
we want Weave to have a good outing next time. But does he NEED to? if he gets bombed again, i'll says 'drats', and just look to the next day. it's not like his job is anywhere remotely close to being on the line. He'll have months to straighten this out without any ramifications.
the same we guy we all threw under the bus 9 months ago.
patience. and perspective.
yeah, Weave's not doing so hot right now, but this is the first time in 47 years when i can honestly keep repeating "wake me in October".
we want Weave to have a good outing next time. But does he NEED to? if he gets bombed again, i'll says 'drats', and just look to the next day. it's not like his job is anywhere remotely close to being on the line. He'll have months to straighten this out without any ramifications.
Meanwhile, I grow increasingly wary of the A's.
Ergo, the necessity of Weaver correcting his cranio-rectal inversion.
Ergo, the necessity of Weaver correcting his cranio-rectal inversion.
I will add this to the conversation...
The fastball of WTY is 2-3 MPH slower than it was in 2006. He is consistently hitting 88-89, not 90-92. I know radar guns vary, etc. But he has been throwing on Fox Sports West (or whatever it is now) for his whole career and his fastball is slower. Period.
I hope I am wrong, but I think his stuff has regressed a bit - for whatever reason - and the league has caught up to him a bit. Can he re-adjust? Absolutely Can he get those 2-3 MPH on his fastball back? I don't know.
Anyone else notice this?
Lastly, funky deliveries in starting pitchers work great the first time or two through the league, but once he has been seen more and scouted more that advantage goes away. I think he has hit a wall that he must scale or outings like tonight will become more common than any of us would like.
My 2 cents.
The fastball of WTY is 2-3 MPH slower than it was in 2006. He is consistently hitting 88-89, not 90-92. I know radar guns vary, etc. But he has been throwing on Fox Sports West (or whatever it is now) for his whole career and his fastball is slower. Period.
I hope I am wrong, but I think his stuff has regressed a bit - for whatever reason - and the league has caught up to him a bit. Can he re-adjust? Absolutely Can he get those 2-3 MPH on his fastball back? I don't know.
Anyone else notice this?
Lastly, funky deliveries in starting pitchers work great the first time or two through the league, but once he has been seen more and scouted more that advantage goes away. I think he has hit a wall that he must scale or outings like tonight will become more common than any of us would like.
My 2 cents.
May I have a Pollyanna moment in the midst of the kicking dirt on the Dirtbag?
Garret Anderson is hitting the ball again.
Maybe it was just the effect of eating fine KC beef, but he went 6-for-12 with 3 HR, 8 RBI, 1 3B and only 2 K.
Will this last into Tampa and beyond? We'll see on Friday, but GA mentioned in a news report he had made "an adjustment" to his swing, without further elaboration. If this works, the offense should really light up, since we all know what GA does when he's hot.
OK, you all can go back to clubbing JerWe like a baby seal...
Garret Anderson is hitting the ball again.
Maybe it was just the effect of eating fine KC beef, but he went 6-for-12 with 3 HR, 8 RBI, 1 3B and only 2 K.
Will this last into Tampa and beyond? We'll see on Friday, but GA mentioned in a news report he had made "an adjustment" to his swing, without further elaboration. If this works, the offense should really light up, since we all know what GA does when he's hot.
OK, you all can go back to clubbing JerWe like a baby seal...
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